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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> England and Wales Court of Appeal (Criminal Division) Decisions >> Roberts, R v [2009] EWCA Crim 701 (05 March 2009) URL: http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2009/701.html Cite as: [2009] Crim LR 597, [2009] EWCA Crim 701, [2009] 2 Cr App Rep (S) 100, [2009] 2 Cr App R (S) 100 |
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CRIMINAL DIVISION
The Strand London WC2A 2LL |
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B e f o r e :
MR JUSTICE STADLEN
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MR JUSTICE HOLROYDE
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STANLEY FREDERICK ROBERTS |
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Mr S Sandford appeared on behalf of the Crown
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Thursday 5 March 2009
LORD JUSTICE MAURICE KAY: I shall ask Mr Justice Holroyde to give the judgment of the court.
MR JUSTICE HOLROYDE:
"Since being held on remand Mr Roberts informed me he had gone through detox and had not touched a drop of alcohol. However, he was extremely candid in his appraisal of his chances of remaining abstinent when released from prison, telling me he would immediately return to his previous drinking habits."
Mr Rouse came to the conclusion that the appellant poses a high risk of harm to members of the public who live in close proximity to any future property in which he resides.
".... the notional minimum term is at least two years."
The notional minimum term is defined by section 225(3C) as being:
".... that part of the sentence that the court would specify under section 82A(2) of the Sentencing Act (determination of minimum tariff) if it imposed a sentence of imprisonment for public protection but was required to disregard the matter mentioned in section 82A(3)(b)."
As Lord Judge CJ explained in R v C and Others [2008] EWCA Crim 2790, the effect of those statutory amendments is:
"11. .... unless condition 3A is established, an order of imprisonment for public protection may not be imposed under condition 3B unless the offence justifies the specified notional minimum term, even if there is a significant risk of harm."
We add that, under the amended provisions of section 227 of the 2003 Act, a corresponding change has been made in respect of extended sentences.
"Had it not been appropriate to impose a sentence for public protection, I would have passed a sentence of four years, having regard to the seriousness of the offence and the mitigating factors which include the guilty plea and the fact that you notified the police of your actions and no one was in fact hurt."
On behalf of the appellant it is pointed out that he was entitled to full credit for his immediate admissions and prompt guilty plea, so that in reality the Recorder was there saying that after a trial this offence would have merited a determinate sentence of six years' imprisonment. It is submitted that such a sentence would be manifestly excessive for the offence of attempting to commit simple arson and is a sentence which would be more appropriate to the aggravated form of arson.
"14. .... Despite the obvious seriousness of what this appellant did, we have to bear in mind that what he was sentenced for was an offence of attempted simple arson."
"12. .... courts will no doubt ensure that longer than appropriate sentences are not imposed in order to avoid the restriction created by condition 3B."