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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> England and Wales Court of Appeal (Criminal Division) Decisions >> Jonsyn, R. v [2014] EWCA Crim 239 (28 January 2014) URL: http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2014/239.html Cite as: [2014] EWCA Crim 239 |
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CRIMINAL DIVISION
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MR JUSTICE BLAKE
RECORDER OF WINCHESTER
HIS HONOUR JUDGE CUTLER
(Sitting as a Judge of the Court of Appeal Criminal Division)
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" -- I know there were submissions made previously, but just so that your Honour is clear: if the sentence is to be consecutive, my understanding is it would begin once the current sentence finishes, but it would then take account of any time that Mr Jonsyn has spent on remand.
THE RECORDER: Well the time on remand won't be counted twice will it.
MR CULVER: It will be counted against -- MR NASH: I don't think it will be.
THE RECORDER: It will be counted, surely -- certainly it is counted in respect of the twenty month sentence for wounding."
Pausing there, the recorder's initial instincts were entirely right: he was concerned that otherwise there would, as it were, be double counting in favour of the appellant for time spent on remand. But the debate then went on as follows:
"MR NASH: It is, yes, but I don't think it is, because --
THE RECORDER: But it won't be counted again, will it, for this." Mr Culver then intervened:
"MR CULVER: And it would be subject to any time he has spent on remand.
THE RECORDER: For that offence. MR CULVER: For this offence.
THE RECORDER: For this offence? MR CULVER: For this offence.
THE RECORDER: Yes, I see.
MR CULVER: Unless your Honour directs otherwise, and the normal course of events would be that it would count towards his eventual sentence, so it is a discretion for your Honour.
THE RECORDER: Yes.
MR NASH: Your Honour, I have had complications like this before, and actually the law has recently changed on this. I have had it so our release has come out the other way round, unless your Honour directs. I think if your Honour made it quite clear, and I would ask your Honour to direct that that time, if that is what your Honour wanted, to direct that the on-remand time counts, because otherwise it is not clear. If it doesn't need to be directed, then so be it.
THE RECORDER: He has been on remand from -- MR NASH: He has been on remand since May.
THE RECORDER: Since May, which is four months or so.
MR NASH: Four months. Or you could obviously make the sentence shorter consecutive --
THE RECORDER: Yes.
MR NASH: -- and then say the time is not to count.
THE RECORDER: Yes, I am grateful. Thank you very much indeed."
"The sentence is forty-six weeks. You will serve half of that. It will be consecutive to the present term, but I am going to say that time spent in custody on remand will count in respect of it."
"If, on any day on which the offender was remanded in custody, the offender was also detained in connection with any other matter, that day is not to count as time served."
Subsection (10) makes specific that detention includes detention pursuant to any custodial sentence. Section 240ZA had been introduced, as was and is reasonably well known, precisely because of difficulties that had arisen by virtue of judges being required to give directions as to credit for time spent on remand in custody.
"The proper approach will be for the court to decide on sentence without reference to any possible effect of administrative crediting of time on remand."
We agree with that statement as, generally speaking, the approach to be applied.
(S) 112. One can therefore see the argument that a like approach should be adopted with regard to legally erroneous mis-statements as to the crediting of time spent on remand.