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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> United Kingdom Employment Appeal Tribunal >> McGuire v Initial Deborah Services Ltd [1999] UKEAT 1464_98_0410 (4 October 1999) URL: http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKEAT/1999/1464_98_0410.html Cite as: [1999] UKEAT 1464_98_410, [1999] UKEAT 1464_98_0410 |
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At the Tribunal | |
Before
HIS HONOUR JUDGE J HICKS QC
MR P DAWSON OBE
MR K M YOUNG CBE
APPELLANT | |
RESPONDENT |
Transcript of Proceedings
JUDGMENT
PRELIMINARY HEARING – EX PARTE
For the Appellant | MR C GLYN (of Counsel) ELAAS |
JUDGE HICKS QC:
"The Tribunal came to their conclusion whilst refusing to allow me to give evidence I thought appropriate. Whenever I tried to give evidence to show how the Company worked and dealt by my particular Contract I was told that I would have to limit my evidence to the three or four weeks concerned in or about October 1996. I was refused the ability to produce my diary records showing the work that I did in that period."
That quite plainly, on its face, raises an allegation that the Employment Tribunal hearing was conducted in a way that was unfair to Mr McGuire. It raises two distinct points. The first, although it comes last in the paragraph, is the refusal to allow him to use his diary records showing what work he did in that period. The second is not so clear on the face of paragraph 2, but as explained to us by Mr Glyn it amounted to this: that Mr McGuire wished to give evidence that the affairs of the employer were conducted in such a way that there were a number of other people who were not, as he puts it, "on the books", in other words dealt with in every respect as employees should be dealt with in the form of PAYE, entries in the Company's records and so on and so forth, but who were undoubtedly and in substance employed by the employer. Mr Glyn, who appears under the ELAAS Scheme and has had only therefore a brief opportunity of taking instructions, was not able to tell us if any of those other cases were more closely similar to Mr McGuire's, in the sense of there being other people who were, as he puts it, "on the books", were briefly or for some period "off the books", but nevertheless were in reality and substance always employed, as he said he was. But that is the general nature of that other evidence that he says he was prevented from adducing.
"on such evidence as there was that related to the employer's general practice in late 1996 as to the recording of employment, to the recording of changes in the place of employment and as to the recording of the cessor of employment, as to whether those general practices were applied in Mr McGuire's case in or around October 1996 and if they were not why they were not and if they were not what other steps were taken in his particular case."
Although that direction was quite wide on its face, and indeed to some extent may have overlapped with Mr McGuire's complaint in ground 2 of his Notice of Appeal, it seems plain when read in conjunction with Lindsay J's judgment that the point with which our colleagues were particularly concerned was the change of Mr McGuire's employment number and whether there was any evidence to support the tribunal's conclusion that that was a significant element in reaching a conclusion as to the continuity of employment.