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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> United Kingdom Employment Appeal Tribunal >> Kansese v. Cimara Ltd [1999] UKEAT 628_99_1207 (12 July 1999) URL: http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKEAT/1999/628_99_1207.html Cite as: [1999] UKEAT 628_99_1207 |
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At the Tribunal | |
Before
HIS HONOUR JUDGE D M LEVY QC
MRS R CHAPMAN
MRS T A MARSLAND
APPELLANT | |
RESPONDENT |
Transcript of Proceedings
JUDGMENT
PRELIMINARY HEARING
For the Appellant | MR M SAHU (of Counsel) |
JUDGE LEVY: This appeal rises in the following circumstances. The Appellant saw in the West Ealing Job Centre a job advertised for a warehouseman. As we have learnt in the course of the appeal, he was perhaps somewhat overqualified for that job, having previously had employments at rather larger salaries than a warehouseman would earn and as he himself drew attention, he had several qualifications. He has a Social Science Degree, his finals including mathematics and egometrics. He also holds an NVQ Level 3 in Administration.
"We feel that [the Appellant] was an extremely smart, punctual and polite young man whose talents could be better employed in a different environment. The simple fact of the matter was that we did not want to waste [the Appellant's] time training him in a position that we felt would not suit him or us."
- a paragraph, which Counsel for the Appellant submits itself, suggests bias and other evidence adduced by the Respondent should be disbelieved.
"Much of the application sets out the Applicant's disagreement with the Tribunal's finding of fact. Those findings of fact were based on the evidence before the Tribunal and I have concluded that a review on that basis has no reasonable prospect of success, the Tribunal being entitled to come to the conclusion to which it came."
There is another paragraph in the review decision which is material to the Appeal.
"The [Appellant] also complains that he was not entitled to cross-examine Mr Chapman. However, Mr Chapman was a Respondent's representative and did not give evidence. There is no entitlement to cross-examine a representative. The Chairman also notes that in paragraph (k) of the Application for Review the Applicant states that he was denied the right to cross-examine the Respondent, presumably a reference to the Respondent's witness. This is incorrect; I note from my notes of evidence that the Applicant cross-examined the Respondent's witness, Mr Griffin, from 11.45 am until 12.43 pm."
The Application for Review was dismissed.
"6. The grounds on which this appeal is brought are that the Industrial Tribunal erred in law in that: see attached sheet."
There was in fact accompanying his Notice of Appeal, a bundle containing a large number of documents which the Tribunal accepted with the Notice of Appeal. In the course of this hearing, many of the documents, which has taken something under two hours today, we have looked at many of the documents.
"(a) The Tribunal denied the Applicant of his legitimate right to cross-examine the Respondent's representative while the Respondent's representative was granted ample opportunity to cross-examine the Applicant."
This was dealt with in the Review and has in fact been very properly abandoned. The grounds of appeal continued:
"(b) The Tribunal misdirected itself in law and misapplied the law [and there is a reference to pages 31(1), 42(5), 33(1), 37(k), 28(i) for details].
(c) The Tribunal never produced evidence to corroborate either its conclusions or findings of fact [and there is reference to other paragraphs in the bundle].
(d) It suppressed incidents of irrefutable racial discrimination and failed to take into account relevant factors from which racial discrimination could been inferred [and other references are given].
(e) The Tribunal's decision, together with the Review decisions, was perverse in that it was one which no reasonable tribunal, directing itself properly on law, could have reached [and reference is made to other documents in the bundle]."
"under rule 7(9)(93) Regulations, no member of the Tribunal which has conducted a pre-hearing review shall be a member of the Tribunal. At the hearing of the Originating Application in the present case Chairman Mr C A Carstairs sat at the PHR on 5 January 1999 and at the full merits hearing on 16 February 1999."
Very near the last minute, Mr Sahu was instructed to appear for the Appellant on this appeal and he very properly told us that the application to add this ground of appeal was not being pursued today. He has however vigorously pursued the other grounds of appeal. We have had from him the benefit of a Skeleton Argument which we have been through with him at some considerable detail. This Tribunal is always concerned where an unhappy Appellant complains of a decision in an Employment Tribunal which alleges perversity and closely examines the decision in the light of the grounds of appeal.
"The post was offered to Mr O'Brian because he had displayed that he had greater warehouse experience during the course of the interview.'"
It was submitted that because in cross-examination Mr Griffin could not give particulars of Mr O'Brian's greater experience, there was no evidence to support the holding that his greater experience caused his selection. It is in our judgment, quite open to a Tribunal to make the finding of fact which it did make on the evidence which it had and the criticisms made by Mr Sahu on his client's instructions were not warranted and do not entitle the matte to go forward.
"The first duties I asked him to complete were Warehouse related functions that would acquaint him with the individual stock for each customer. These were exactly the same duties as were required of Mr O'Brian."
"the Applicant did not find it easy to get to grips with the warehouse procedure. The two sets of uniforms were stored in different places but the Applicant, when approached by staff of client customers, would from time to time go to the wrong area and produce uniform which was worn by staff by the other company."
It was submitted that there was no evidence of actual occasion when the Appellant issued wrong uniforms to employees and thus far the finding was perverse. Paragraph 6 of Mr Griffin's witness statement which we have seen, deals with the allegation. Where the Tribunal has had the obvious chance to see and hear both witnesses, in our judgment it was not perverse for it to make the finding which is challenged.
"Mr Griffin then helped the [Appellant] sort through the stock correctly."
was not supported by evidence. Indeed the evidence was that the Applicant rearrange the stock in alphabetical order himself unaided. Again, looking at Mr Griffin's witness statement, we are not satisfied that there was no such evidence before the Tribunal as was submitted by Mr Sahu.
"I decided on Thursday evening that I would be unable to continue with [the Appellant's] employ."
In further and better particulars the Respondent had in advance of the hearing stated:
"c. Mr Griffin decided that [the Appellant] was unsuitable for the position on Thursday 2 July 1998 at 5pm. [The Appellant] was informed of the decision to dismiss him on Friday 3 July 1998 at approximately 4.50 pm."
Such admission as the Respondent may or may not have made in cross-examination does not, in our judgment, stop the Tribunal making the finding of fact which it made.
"The Tribunal found that 'Mr Griffin had also been surprised at the length of time the Applicant had taken to carry out [the function mentioned].'"
Mr Sahu submitted:
"The finding was perverse as not only was the evidence that the [Appellant] had finished both assignments Mr Griffin had given to him before he left. But furthermore, the finding could not be possibly correct for if the evidence of the Respondents were true, then the [Appellant], if he had still been doing this first assignment would not have finished until past 5.00pm, his leaving time, which the evidence did not support."
Again we look at Mr Griffin's statement on this matter. Paragraph 6 of his written statement appears to contain evidence which would have entitled the Tribunal to have made the findings of fact which it made.
"The question which arises for the first time in this case is what will amount to 'cause shown' justifying a departure from the general rule now established the Chairman's notes are not to be provided. In our view, the fundamental consideration is this. It is the Industrial Tribunal which is the body entrusted by Parliament with finding the facts of the case; the appeal to this Tribunal is only on a point of law. Therefore, for most purposes the only relevant source of the facts to be considered by this Tribunal are the findings of fact made by the Industrial Tribunal and stated by them in their reasons for their decision. For most purposes, it should be unnecessary, on this basis that a proper set of reasons had been prepared, to go behind the reasons to the evidence given to the Tribunal. The only appeals in which Notes of Evidence can be relevant are those where the notice of appeal includes, amongst the grounds of appeal, an allegation that there is no evidence to support a particular finding of fact, or that the Industrial Tribunal failed to make some relevant finding of fact, or that the Industrial Tribunal had misunderstood the evidence, or that a finding of fact made by the Tribunal is perverse in the sense that no Industrial Tribunal, properly directed, could have reached their conclusion. We will call these 'permissible groundings for attacking the findings'.
"It is unrealistic to expect people who are conducting their cases in person before an Employment Tribunal to conduct the case that a skilled advisor would do, by keeping notes of the evidence. In such cases, therefore, we think that if an application is made for the Chairman's notes, the application should be considered in a rather more generous fashion; but, even so, it should be possible for the party to specify, in somewhat more general terms, the findings of fact to the Tribunal which he challenges. No doubt, his advisors would explain to him that in saying that he 'challenges' findings of fact, it is not enough simply to say 'I disagree with the findings of fact' but has to show that there was no evidence to support them."